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Your Own Facts

Postby Kea » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:02 am

You know the old saying, "You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts"?

Well, here's an essay by David Frum, the ex-Bush adviser who, after suggesting that it might be a good idea for the Republicans to compromise with Obama on health care reform, was basically disowned from the Republican Party and fired from his think-tank job.

And he says, today's Republican party has lost touch with reality.

It was not so long ago that Texas governor Bush denounced attempts to cut the earned-income tax credit as “balancing the budget on the backs of the poor.” By 2011, Republican commentators were noisily complaining that the poorer half of society are “lucky duckies” because the EITC offsets their federal tax obligations—or because the recession had left them with such meager incomes that they had no tax to pay in the first place. In 2000, candidate Bush routinely invoked “churches, synagogues, and mosques.” By 2010, prominent Republicans were denouncing the construction of a mosque in lower Manhattan as an outrageous insult. In 2003, President Bush and a Republican majority in Congress enacted a new ­prescription-drug program in Medicare. By 2011, all but four Republicans in the House and five in the Senate were voting to withdraw the Medicare guarantee from everybody under age 55. Today, the Fed’s pushing down interest rates in hopes of igniting economic growth is close to treason, according to Governor Rick Perry, coyly seconded by TheWall Street Journal. In 2000, the same policy qualified Alan Greenspan as the “greatest central banker in the history of the world,” according to Perry’s mentor, Senator Phil Gramm. Today, health reform that combines regulation of private insurance, individual mandates, and subsidies for those who need them is considered unconstitutional and an open invitation to “death panels.” A dozen years ago, a very similar reform was the Senate Republican alternative to Hillarycare. Today, stimulative fiscal policy that includes tax cuts for almost every American is “socialism.” In 2001, stimulative fiscal policy that included tax cuts for rather fewer Americans was an economic­-recovery program.

And then later:
Backed by their own wing of the book-publishing industry and supported by think tanks that increasingly function as public-relations agencies, conservatives have built a whole alternative knowledge system, with its own facts, its own history, its own laws of economics. Outside this alternative reality, the United States is a country dominated by a strong Christian religiosity. Within it, Christians are a persecuted minority. Outside the system, President Obama—whatever his policy ­errors—is a figure of imposing intellect and dignity. Within the system, he’s a pitiful nothing, unable to speak without a teleprompter, an affirmative-action ­phony doomed to inevitable defeat. Outside the system, social scientists worry that the U.S. is hardening into one of the most rigid class societies in the Western world, in which the children of the poor have less chance of escape than in France, Germany, or even England. Inside the system, the U.S. remains (to borrow the words of Senator Marco Rubio) “the only place in the world where it doesn’t matter who your parents were or where you came from.”

Any thoughts?
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby AlternateTorg » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:08 am

As someone who considers himself a conservative and who used to be pleased to call himself a Republican, I agree with him. Though I think it somewhat disingenuous to portray the positions of the rightmost Republicans as being representative of the whole party.
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby drachefly » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:38 am

In terms of the positions of average party members, sure; but he's talking about the leadership and the actions of the officeholders.
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby weatherwax » Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:59 am

Is he the same Republican advisor who warned the GOP that the media talking heads have essentially taken over the Republican message and have warped every talking point and issue to create a comforting "truth" of the world that is "under attack" -- most likely for ratings rather than any sort of true ideological beliefs?

And that, while once the party used the media construct for their benefit by luring in the fringe voters, now the party is actually starting to reflect the construct?

If he is, and if this essay is a continuation of the theme, then I agree wholeheartedly with him. You know, Kansas was directly effected by this pandering. The deep conservative streak in its politics was never so crazy until the Summer of Mercy in the 90s, which I cannot discuss due to the nature of the topic but you are welcome to google. Suddenly, the Republicans saw a whole group of people that could be mobilized to their benefit. And yes, super conservative Republicans were elected to various state offices. Then wham! evolution was pulled from schools and actually REPLACED by intelligent design, to the horror of moderate conservatives. They then had to step in and fix that lil' snafu.

The GOP took a risk by pandering to the fringe and molding it into an actual base. They are now paying the price, watching as their base grows more and more anti-reality, forcing more moderate conservatives away from the party, and slowly killing their ability to attract slightly-left-leaning moderate independents from voting red for any election. If they aren't careful, someday they'll have candidates that can't get elected in any but the most saturated in red locales -- which still does not reflect the majority of conservative voters. Which means a large amount of voters won't have their actual politics represented in the government, either because their usual party has gone wacko or because the other party was voted in to avoid the wackoness. And all of the wackoness will continue to be cultivated by media moguls because it produces eyeballs and money.

It's almost creepily dystopian, what's happened to one half of our big political parties. Seriously, it's like reading the back story of a sci-fi world, something on the lines of a Margaret Atwood. I don't think it'll ever really go Handmaid's Tale (which was written as a response to the Christian Coalition movement of the 80s), but the downfall of social mobility in the U.S. is really, really troubling.
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby FreakyBoy » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:14 pm

There's already a large segment of Americans that have no real representation in Congress (Senator Sanders excepted). Why shouldn't moderate conservatives be in the same boat?

For that matter, why don't the moderate conservatives just finish their take over of the Democratic party? Then maybe we Liberals can stage our own party.
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby Kea » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:24 am

No, the most extreme wing of the Republican party isn't everyone, but they are currently so influential that the moderates have been frozen out. I mean, when Republican politicians run into trouble for publicly criticizing Rush Limbaugh and are pressured to sign loyalty pledges to adhere to the most extreme right wing position on every single issue imaginable, they've got a problem. And I think part of the problem is gerrymandering. In the election of 2008, the Republicans who were actually voted out of office were the moderates from purple districts. The extremist Rump was left, all from districts so red they'd rather shoot their leg off than vote Democratic. But there's definitely also an echo chamber effect. They're living in an alternative reality in which taxes are inherently immoral, government spending depresses the economy (unless it's on the military), the Confidence Fairy will create jobs, everything wrong is the fault of over-regulation, the 2008 economic crisis was all Jimmy Carter's fault, and the government is so broke it needs to slash all budgets immediately, unless it wants to bomb Iran, in which case there's plenty of money.
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby s.i.l. » Tue Nov 29, 2011 6:08 pm

Kea, I think you hit the nail on the head with one of the huge issues not many are paying attention to. There has been an organized effort by Republicans across the country to redraw voting maps more in their favor outside of the tradition of doing so after the census. The court here in Texas ruled the new map went too far in dilluting minority voting rights. Of course the Republicans here are filing legal challenges. Maybe it wasn't the place of judges to draw a new map but without independant non-partisan organisations to handle the responsibility of redistricting the system is broken.
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby Kea » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:04 am

So in Newt Gingrich's universe, child labour laws are the reason why poor people stay poor.
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby weatherwax » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:41 pm

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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby Kajin » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:24 pm

I'm not sure if that's funny or depressing. Maybe a little of both, depending on how much influence this Santorum guy is capable of exerting on society.
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby weatherwax » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:57 pm

Eh, he's on the bottom of the heap, so I don't worry much. Not to mention is severe "google problem".
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby Kajin » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:08 pm

Then that makes it incredibly funny. I laugh now. Ha Ha Ha!
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby Kea » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:08 am

Wow. What an asshat. If he talks like that to kids who disagree with him at a Christian college, he'd never survive in any environment outside a cheering fan club.
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby Qcks@hotmail.com » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:58 am

Santorum is still a senator.
Just because he's not an actual contender for the GOP nomination doesn't mean he's harmless.
He's just not in complete control.
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Re: Your Own Facts

Postby drachefly » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:46 am

Santorum has not been a senator for 5 years.
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