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Post Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:36 pm |
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Original postangrysunbird wrote: Scientists publish the mammal family tree. (Warning, pdf). Some lunatic, or lunatics, must have not slept for a couple of years. The thing is really hard to read on screen - I'm wondering if I can print it out at Kinco's (or a local equivilant) as a poster. But it is also awesome! Be sure to check out the 'You are here' at around 8:15, sandwitched between the rabbits and colugos. The accompaning article is here. I had to split the thread. please feel free to persue religious/philosophical discussion here.
and just think: there must've been two of all of those on the Ark! Isn't God's construction ability wonderful, to be able to make a ship so efficient it could hold all of those yet still have such small dimensions?
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Post Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:40 pm |
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WCH wrote: and just think: there must've been two of all of those on the Ark! Isn't God's construction ability wonderful, to be able to make a ship so efficient it could hold all of those yet still have such small dimensions? Don't forget that there are twice as many birds as mammals....
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WCH wrote: and just think: there must've been two of all of those on the Ark! Isn't God's construction ability wonderful, to be able to make a ship so efficient it could hold all of those yet still have such small dimensions?
Yeah, yeah, be an [Dude, you JUST called WCH a name. Did you consider the possiblity that this could be construed as a personal attack? -G] Did you consider the possibility that there were far fewer types of animals than there are now?
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vampirebunbun wrote: Yeah, yeah, be an ass. Did you consider the possibility that there were far fewer types of animals than there are now?
But what of the Unicorns?
Does no-one ever think of the Unicorns?
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:20 am |
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They were too proud and didn't want to get on the ark.
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:42 am |
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vampirebunbun wrote: WCH wrote: and just think: there must've been two of all of those on the Ark! Isn't God's construction ability wonderful, to be able to make a ship so efficient it could hold all of those yet still have such small dimensions? Yeah, yeah, be an . Did you consider the possibility that there were far fewer types of animals than there are now? Actually, there were many more, seeing as how these are only the ones that aren't extinct. Or birds, reptiles, amphibians, insects, arachnids, snails, nematodes, plants, fungi and suchlike.
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JonMW
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Strange - it smells like POOP in here.
But anyhoo.
angrysunbird:
I don't see why (as time goes on) the total number of species decreases.
Also:
The idea that the entire world was flooded at the time of Noah may be the result of a mistranslation. If anyone is interested in the details, PM me or something. Maybe I'll ask for POOP-posting privileges.
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vampirebunbun wrote: Yeah, yeah, be an . Did you consider the possibility that there were far fewer types of animals than there are now? Are you suggesting that somehow more species of animals are present now? How would they have appeared? Would they have spontaneously appeared from the mud after the great flood? By theological doctrine, the only species that should have survived are waterbourne animals and the species that could have fit into a 300 cubit (450 feet) long ship. Blatently ripped from Wikipedia: wrote: # The Ark is described as 300 cubits long, the cubit being a unit of measurement from elbow to outstretched fingertip. Many different cubits were in use in the ancient world, but all were essentially similar, and literalist websites seem to agree that the Ark was approximately 450 feet (137 m) in length. This is considerably longer than the largest wooden vessels ever built in historical times: according to certain sources, the early 15th-century Chinese admiral Zheng He may have used junks 400 feet (122 m) long, but the schooner Wyoming, launched in 1909 and the largest documented wooden-hulled ship ever built, measured only 329.5 feet (100 m) and needed iron cross-bracing to counter warping and a steam pump to handle a serious leak problem.
# The Ark would have had a gross volume of about 1.5 million cubic feet (40,000 m³), a displacement a little less than half that of the Titanic at about 22,000 tons, and total floor space of around 100,000 square feet (9,300 m²). So, Even if all known species of animals COULD fit into those 1.5Million Cubic feet, Where did all these new species come from?
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WCH
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:52 am |
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vampirebunbun wrote: Yeah, yeah, be an ... Did you consider the possibility that there were far fewer types of animals than there are now? Wait, does that mean they evolved since?
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Just to prove a point, I'll play the devil's advocate here.
WCH wrote: and just think: there must've been two of all of those on the Ark! Isn't God's construction ability wonderful, to be able to make a ship so efficient it could hold all of those yet still have such small dimensions?
Did you stop to consider that maybe Noah's ark, and alot of other stories, are just metaphors for what really happened? Mayhap there was a time during Human memory when flood/tidal wave or extreme heavy downpour resulting in the world as they knew it at the time being flooded. What if Noah's ARK was actually something telling Noah to convince everyone to bring their livestock to higher ground? All the other stuff was just an author taking liberty with the meaning.
Maybe its poor translating between hundreds of generations and the current story is an extremely perverted version of events. (history backs this one up. In the orignial text it never mentions witches or witchcraft. Just poisoners. Hell! Solomon was a Magician."
Don't take the stories at face value. I even got told that one at sunday school.
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well, the contention is that the bible is infallable, not metaphorical, and (pardon the phrase) Gospel. The contention isn't that "let there be light" is a metaphor for the big bang, it's that God went *click* to a lightswitch. Therefore, according to gospel, there was a 450ft long boat that held two of every animal.
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Yeh. Y'see. Calling the bible infallible is wrong. Its not god's book. Its man's version of things. Man has proven, time and time again, how fallible he really is. Anyone who calls the Bible infallible is trying VERY hard to deny the fact that maybe god had it right. And man is just useless at listening.
(In other news. I hate the bible. All the disciples can avoid personal attacks. If god is about, He chose poorly, Hell he sent his son down and bam. he got betrayed by one, good character judgement there. Thats how I REALLY feel.)
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Actually, only two of the unclean animals, seven of the clean.
And he's God, who are we to say that he didn't invent the first TARDIS?
The particulars of the Bible aren't nearly as important as the message it tries to convey... unfortunately, since most are told as stories, and those stories can be interepreted a lot of different way, there's a horde of disagrement on it... especially among the hardcores.
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:46 am |
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All philosophical debate aside, that map is incredible! I zoomed in and took a look around. To make a poster, It'd have to be the size of an IMAX screen!
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Post Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:50 am |
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So, we can bash people's beliefs all we want? Okay, just wanted to make sure.
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